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more specifically, the problem here is that, as far as matchmaking is concerned, a rank 20 person with a 50% win rate in ranked and a rank 20 person with a 10% win rate in ranked have the same skill level. it may seem at times that the hearthstone matchmaking system has achieved sentience and is hell-bent on preventing you from reaching legend, it is therefore likely that such experiences are simply a result of the tendency of the human mind to remember and focus on negative experiences, combined with the at times extraordinary runs of luck that inevitably occur every so often in any such game of chance. it may be a bit more computationally expensive than elo, but i find that it works a lot better as well. in “the arena” mode follow a match making protocol to ensure that players of similar play strength (meaning players with comparable win/loss records) are matched up against each other. gold[–]talpostal 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago (0 children)when i started after naxx a lot of people were saying that casual had no matchmaking and paired anybody with anybody. gold[–]somedk 1 point2 points3 points 9 months ago (0 children)if you thought it worked any other way than this than you wear tinfoil hats and worry about the lizard people. if you're playing in trash tier those fancy more effective tactics you picked from watching high elo streamers usually won't work because your teammates have no clue what you're trying to do. others are being sarcastic about the fact that this system isn't new, and is like most other matchmaking systems. gold[–]mezmorizor 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago (0 children)in general the mmr system they use does a poor job of placing people (for legend at least). some guy watches this and tries the same thing but, unlike in top tier play where they throw down vision, this guy does it blindly and dies.
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it is a quite considerable ip-asset because interesting games sells copies of overwatch or packs in hearthstone. podcast focused on arena strategies, hosted by adwcta and merps. just saying that any matchmaking system by design will eventually move you to a rank where your winrate becomes 50%, people thinking the system is actively rigged beyond that are bonkers. ladder used mmr instead of just rank, matchmaking would be fine. however, each time the system fails to find a match its matchmaking parameters are widened, allowing for increasingly rough match-ups. gold[–]kklear 30 points31 points32 points 9 months ago (2 children)how can you say that casual matchmaking is done well when i lose half of my matches? rating (mmr) is a special internal rating system used for certain types of matchmaking. all of the other miserable scrubs feel closer to the celebrities of hearthstone and therefor better about themselves. beta forums: ranks reset, elo/mmr stays the same - is this working? for matchmaking purposes, the player's win/loss ratio is considered to have one more loss than it actually does, thus matching them against what should on average be easier opponents.
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link to hearthstonecast is broken right now, but this has been confirmed by blizzard devs on twitter several times. gold[–]pmofmalasia 1 point2 points3 points 9 months ago (1 child)it seems like he's equating mmr to stars here, otherwise this would give no insight into how the matchmaker works below legend rank. quake is a game with very little randomness factor compared to hearthstone, so you need comparatively fewer matches to gauge the skill level of a person. tavern brawl mmr does not reset, and carries over from week to week. also we don't know if they have safeguards against that (so that conceding 50times in a row does nothing).↑ zeriyah on twitter - "arena matches you against someone with as close of a win/loss record as you have. basically even if that type of rng is balanced, but it's not fun or doesn't feel good, it's not a good mechanic. gold[–]jodwin 1 point2 points3 points 9 months ago (0 children)people have complained about casual, but that's because blizzard hadn't explained how casual matchmaking works before. forms of matchmaking function to find a suitable opponent from the currently available pool of players. goldload more comments (12 replies)[–]teh_drewski 291 points292 points293 points 9 months ago (46 children)hmm, works how literally every sane person assumed it did.
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gold[–]_jimboslyce_ 12 points13 points14 points 9 months ago* (4 children)he said it doesn't use mmr at all outside of casual and legend, and is wholly based on rank + number of stars alone. gold[–]hybr1dth 1 point2 points3 points 9 months ago (0 children)holy crap, people are actually expecting to see the code that does the matchmaking? is the most time effiencent way to gain golden basic cards4what is order of play and how does it work? casual play mode and the arena, new players are initially placed into special matchmaking pools to ease them into the game. thought there was something said about how you are matched up with players in the arena with approximately the same win-to-loss ratio. gold[–]exceed_sc2 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago (1 child)i mean this isn't anything special, this is how it works in the vast majority of games the only difference being how below legend ranked games match based off stars (but just playing the game you can see that). gold[–]jrevis 1 point2 points3 points 9 months ago (1 child)for me every time i hit "cancel" the client freezes, the cancel button disappears, and then hearthstone crashes. casual play mode, ranked play mode at legend rank, and non-cooperative tavern brawls determine pairings using each player's matchmaking rating (mmr) for that type of play; ranked play below legend rank is determined by each player's rank; and arena pairings are determined by each player's win/loss record for the current run. gold[–]diablelord 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago (0 children)i thought for sure i was gonna see that big brown fat guy laughing on that talk show with some spicy hearthstone memes. if it doesn’t, it will wait a few seconds and look again.
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gold[–]kklear 10 points11 points12 points 9 months ago (0 children)username does not check out. gold[–]jydealberto 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago (0 children)if the mmr does not take into account a player´s collection, just skill, then it is unfair and its a broken system. playing janky decks in casual to grind the "play cards" quests does lead to some swift victories when you draw into "win games" quests. afaik no game ever used a matchmaking based on what you recently played so you get countered by this and that. it is unknown whether or not cooperative tavern brawls (which do not use mmr for matchmaking) affect the player's mmr. common complaint from players is that the matchmaking system is intentionally matching them against opponents using decks designed to beat them. super bowl quarterback would right now have problems in the lower leaques because his usual style wouldn´t work because his defense isn´t as good, so he can´t rely on them 100% and the players aren´t as good catching the ball, so his long passes won´t work. gold[–]raxzergling 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago (0 children)that would certainly make more sense, but he doesn't seem like one who would be vague with his words. this discrepancy in the player's matchmaking will likely lead to the player losing several games in a row, resulting in the player's mmr dropping rapidly in order to select opponents of equal ability. gold[–]rwv 1 point2 points3 points 9 months ago (5 children)i queued into somebody with a name that matched a hearthstone pro playing in either casual or tavern brawl recently.
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obviously, such a system would improve over time and not be as reliable in the early stages of hearthstone going live. the arena matchmaking algorithm does not look at your previous arena or constructed history and it does not consider the card quality of the deck you have drafted. gold[–]arikebeth 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago (0 children)seems like pretty standard matchmaking mechanics. (unconfirmed, fan-based) thinking is each match you are matched to someone with the same arena score as you, so for your first game you are playing someone who is also on 0-0, if you then lose, your next game will be against someone who has also just lost one game. course in mobs and hearthstone you're still going to win a lot more than you lose at low levels when you're a high level player because you just do everything better than they do, but high level strategies still aren't the best choice at low levels. commentssharereportall 27 commentssorted by: besttopnewcontroversialoldrandomq&alive (beta)[–]jstanford 32 points33 points34 points 2 years ago (13 children)it matches against someone with similar wins and losses so it tries to match you against someone with 3 wins and 0 losses if you have 3 wins and 0 losses but won't search too long if it doesn't find a perfect match and take someone close instead. hearthstone uses separate mmrs for different types of play, such as casual play mode, legend-level ranked play, and non-cooperative tavern brawls. i have heard countless tales of "action flops" and other bullshit from losing online poker players - people that just don't want to work on their game because they think they're already great players. far as i know it's completely random, since blizzard thinks that the (more or less) random deck you have to use in the arena evens out the skill. players on their first few arena runs, matchmaking is intentionally altered to provide an easier transition into the game mode.
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you don't play for a while, your rank doesn't change. playing in arena mode in hearthstone, how is your opponent determined? as an obvious hearthstone example, control warrior is a good choice when your opponents are playing the best decks because it has an edge versus aggro shaman and pirate warrior, but it's a bad choice when your opponents aren't playing the best decks because the other viable decks have an edge against it. speculation i think it might work in a way that mmr's are allowed to make much bigger jumps than a standard elo system and i suspect from game to game you might see even a high legend player's rating jump rather wildly, unlike high level chess where an entire 14 round tournament might end in a player's rating change 2-3 points. doesn't make sense and there is no reason for that to gum up the calculations. though, with any matchmaking system you'd expect the majority of players to converge to a 50%. a player enters the matchmaking queue the system will attempt to find another player in the queue with an identical matchmaking value.)submitted 2 years ago by popjedid blizzard ever said exactly how their arena matchmaking algorithm work ?[–]baktru 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago (0 children)i wonder which mmr algorythm hearthstone actually uses." and i'm like "yeah mm i do want to know more, let's do this shit" and when he posts he's like "this is how it works" and i'm like "yeah that's how it works" he doesn't say some bullshit macho shit like "it's on our radar" he's just like "nah i'll tell you the real deal" and he seems so happy.
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gold[–]iloveimgur 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (0 children)it actually makes perfect sense though - better players will go deeper in each arena, and thus be 0-0 less frequently. would guess as well that matchmaking is something that will be being fine-tuned for a while. think it might work in a way that mmr's are allowed to make much bigger jumps than a standard elo system. gold[–]papyjako89 2 points3 points4 points 9 months ago (0 children)doesn't matter how you do it, people will find a way to complain. so when you click cancel on your client you're doing an invalid action and the game just doesn't know what to do about it. though, i believe that for your first arena match it matches you with beginners. casual play mode and the arena feature special mechanics for very new players. like in sport, quite a lot of high level tactics won´t work in the lower leaques. a hearthstone card collection how to determine the optimal card pack to purchase? of what you think, i know this is on blizzard's mind because i've seen blue's post before talking about tweaking how the formula reacts so as not to punish bad matchmaking luck (and casual mmr doesn't really care since it is not meant to be a competitive environment).
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" once the player has exceeded this number of runs, they are matched purely on their win/loss ratio, with their number of previous runs no longer affecting their matchmaking. that's exactly how i thought it worked based on previous blizzard posts. gold[–]nerrioneu 3 points4 points5 points 9 months ago (0 children)yeah, why does the wheel never hit something like "roach boy", how am i supposed to know who is on top of the pyramid? don't really know how to convince you any further this is a real issue, you're just going to have to work it out yourself. don't care what blizzard say that's all bull 4 matches now i have been put against the worst possible match in all account's 6 games lost between play and arena 4 of them arena and still getting people that are fare superior players than my self. information and statistics on specific types of matchmaking, see play mode and arena. for now all we can do is hit 'play', wait a few seconds and if the cancel button doesn't disappear, cancel and try again - just to make sure our search doesn't widen outside the top 20 or 50 players. it doesn’t know what deck you’re playing, what deck you just played with or against, or anything else, except for your rating. gold[–]popje[s] 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (0 children)yeah that would make a lot of sense, reminds me of halo matchmaking. each case the system attempts to find a player of as similar matchmaking value (rating, rank or record) as possible.